Share yourself

Thread Topic: Share yourself

arwen Sugar Land, TX Joined: Feb 24, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-05 12:53:56
	wow. this is one of those times when little 18 year olds dont know what the hell mommy and daddy are talking about. lol. but i tried to follow, and i think i get what jason is saying. FREEDOM! lol jk.
	Report this post
singingteacher Brighton, TN Joined: Apr 14, 09 Status Level: 1	2009-05-06 14:06:11
	It's okay but really, we all need to get better informed because we may not like where the country is heading as a nation...
	Report this post
happygolucky44 Saint Petersburg, FL Joined: Mar 27, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-06 16:26:56
	Sent to me by MYRASOSWEET: how in the hell are you going for a doctorate and spell like a kindergartner, talking about some "awial" its "a while" you ass, HA! you are totally pathetic to me and if you are actually going for that degree (and arent just lying) you must go to the worst school in the world if they allow you to turn in assignments looking like that and pass you, go back to elementary school and learn to spell like an adult not a child of a very young age My response: Thanks for your correction. Many times professionals have others proof read their material before submitting them to publication; in fact proof-reading is, in itself a profession. Gratefully the publication and editorial standards that many authors and professionals must adhere to are relaxed in this, an informal web-forum. Lastly, your unprovoked, bully-like behavior has more in common with elementary school then my ability to spell. I can�t stand blatant hypocrisy, as demonstrated in your enlightened work. Let�s begin with: 1) Words should be capitalized after a punctuation ending a sentence (ie. �!�, �?�, �.�) 2) Words should be capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. 3) �arent� is spelled aren�t 4) I would recommend you familiarize yourself with run-on sentences, and basic grammar rules � analyze your second (and last) sentence. I hope this helps you in your future postings. Your welcome. I actually am pursuing a Doctorate! It is actually a really great program affiliated with one of the top schools in the north-east. Thank you for asking. Singingteacher: The last paragraph, in my last post, addressed some of the above behavior. I was going to � and MYRASOSWEET beat me to the punch � let you know that even though that paragraph seemed like it was directed towards you, it was not. I wanted to clarify that to you � you have been a delight to converse with. What I wrote was directed towards the simple, argumentative, and, immature and ignorant, minds that may grace � prowl � these forums. Arwen: I love the Braveheart reference! Hell, yeah! FREEDOM! Don�t be so hard on yourself, I have always learned from others; everyone does. Simply, if our conversation interests you, check it out, and ask questions. Truly, I know so little about government and other things related, but I enjoy the topic and have asked a bunch of questions. Anything you ask, I probably will not know off hand, but it will encourage me to educate myself, and learn with you�By the way, that is my definition of college! Well, that and keg parties!
	Report this post
TalentWasted Tacoma, WA Joined: May 4, 09 Status Level: 1	2009-05-06 20:02:54
	In my opinion the goverment needs to be redone, the voting system is out of date, the polititions are corrupt, and none of the care about the people. we need revolution, we need our leaders to care. they need to stop putting 8 billion dollors into foreign aid and get this counrty back on it's feet. ( 8 billion last i heard) give us universal health care! give us free college like i france! make it law for more paid vaction and stop letting Corp. america work us to death. this country use to be great... now it is sinking propaganda, ignorance, and corruption.
	Report this post
arwen Sugar Land, TX Joined: Feb 24, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-08 13:37:20
	well duh. its a government. hey watch out for this a hole named EMT BASIC. he's a jerk off. just tell the admin if he messages you, k? i took care of it. but the government actually was always corrupt, even when washington was prez. he was actually a terrible leader according to diaries from his reign, but we idolize him cuz he was our first. f---ed up, huh?
	Report this post
happygolucky44 Saint Petersburg, FL Joined: Mar 27, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-09 09:05:11
	Hey TalentWasted, I defiantly agree with the first part of your post. The voting system is out of date, and there does seem to be a disconnect between the politicians and the people. I had a family friend who became a senator, and he had great dreams of doing great things � naturally! lol. What he said was that in Washington the only way to get one thing done is to owe favors to many others. He became so disillusioned because he would do something good and for the people, only to repay the others by doing many things dishonest. Additionally, he described what happens when you don�t �play by the rules�, in that, you will never garner support no matter what you do. I have posted my feelings on universal health care in this forum � I think it was this one! So I will not revisit my points against it. But I think care should be taken in this area. I would encourage you to investigate the universal health care in Great Britain and tell me what you think. As with anything there are �pros and cons�, I just can�t see the Americain people role over and just receive whatever the government seems fit to give. Anyway. The other point I wanted to address was that in one breath you state �we need revolution�� and in the other you say �GIVE US universal health care�. Its either one or the other: We take back, reestablish, & reduce government; or we raise hell, get what we want, quiet down, & encourage greater governmental involvement. You sound like you would prefer the American people to rise up and seize the day. To do that, as you say, we do need a revolution. This is not the time to ask the government for any more hand-outs or freebees because the government will then add stipulations that lock into place another governmental program, or system making it that much harder for the American People to take our country back! Obama is a very smart man, and if you look behind every bill he has passed he is silently growing governmental involvement, thus size. Some worry it would take more then three presidential terms to reduce what he has already passed. This makes logical sense, the government right now is a money maker with its involvement with AIG, and mortgage companies; it receives funds from those companies. If it is slowly becoming a corporation itself, what Obama is doing is simply job security. The one thing that transverses party affiliations is being in the, what I will call, The Washington Club; meaning, it would take a great number of honest politicians to counter act the greater number of career politicians. Again, this is why smaller government is what the fore-fathers wanted, and how America became great. We the people have the control if the government is small and transparent. Granted a small government cant provide everything, and some things may even be lost. But if the �Greatest Generation� was created out of hard work, ingenuity, and perseverance � while the government and economy crashed; And if this entire country was founded by women and men, seeking freedom from an empire, and who just made a new country happen - without governmental aid - then we can too; we just cant wait for someone else to give us stuff, or make the first move. We must respect and educate ourselves, and also care about the real issues; starting with why the people can�t get an ear in Washington. Politicians and government forget they are PROVIDING a SEVICE to us. Obama, and the presidents before him, are shifting our focus. They are enticing us by aid, programs, and small promises. Instead of expecting the government to work for us, we are slowly excepting the idea that we work to keep the government in business � hoping that they keep giving us �rewards�. Yes we get upset when we don�t get what we want, but we are forfeiting our right, to say we are wronged. I respect your opinion, but I must disagree; the last thing we need is �free� collage, �free� health care, and �free� vacations. We need to work hard to get the country back, and even harder to ensure our children have it too. I want �Freedom� not �freebies�. I would rather be free in mind, body and soul, over having a free ride. We the people had the reigns, and we got lazy�the horses are steering towards the cliffs.
	Report this post
TalentWasted Tacoma, WA Joined: May 4, 09 Status Level: 1	2009-05-10 02:47:35
	well if it come from taxes then it isn't really free, the whole idea of a government is to take care of its citizens, in this system I don't see it happening, what you say a freebies i see as our rights. We have the right to a decent health care system to where is doesn't cost us an arm and a leg, and inswurance companies trying to find any means nessicary from having to pay your clam. I have a grand mother thats 80 has had multiple strokes and heart attacks yet she continues to work, to pay bills and medications. We have the right to be educated, but with way it's set up, majority can not afford it, so the have to struggle to do with out. I brought up those points because if you look at how the French government is set up they take care of their people, and if you look at ours, we are sinking with under education, bad health, and a poor economy. which has a ripple effect with crime, and other areas. Mexicans are sneeking into canada because it's so bad here. And I know this because I met a bunch along with other people from south of the border in the immagration holding cell, prior deportation. Our goverment is keeping is trying to keep the people stupid. over worked, and sick, and afraid. so they don't worry about how bad they are getting fisted. Like the stupid swine flu fear thats going on. before it was terrorism, then before that global warming, keep the people stupid, stress and afraid = easier to control = goverment can do whatever. On side note the reason why washington was a bad president is because the new goverment was set up and alot of it was trial and error, plus and he was a millitary general, he was never a polition.
	Report this post
arwen Sugar Land, TX Joined: Feb 24, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-13 10:47:57
	i agree with both of you, but honestly, i'm not interested in what Obama does. i work hard, and i make my own way.
	Report this post
happygolucky44 Saint Petersburg, FL Joined: Mar 27, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-13 11:39:35
	Again, we agree in all terms except the solution. I too completely agree with your third paragraph. And I do agree that our country is sinking. But to continue your metaphor, one would not continue to add ballast to a sinking ship; one would remove it � again my theme is lesser government as the solution. Think of added programs, and more government as a ships ballast. There needs to be a perfect balance, or the ship topples over during a storm, or just sinks like the rocks it is filled with. Lastly, I feel like saying �preach it brother!� when you describe the mind-set of the insurance companies, and I will add, workmens comp. I too have watched a loved one suffer to provide them-selves with adequate healthcare, as both the insurance and governmental agencies that should have protected and provided her, produce nothing but excuses, and ultimately caused her to lose her job. Unfortunately you did not quite grasp what I was saying or why I was referring to health care, education, and vacations as �freebies�. Let me try to be more concise. I have been to France, and have, to the best of my abilities engaged in discourse on subjects varying from politics to sports, to art and museums. The French are very political and know our system almost as well as there own. They seem to follow with interest because they do have a healthcare system, greatly reduced educational expenses, and mandatory month long holidays. But they also have dictated lives, career paths already laid out, and religious stifling. What I was trying to convey was, as ballast is added to the ship, as the government becomes bigger, the people � like the ship � can not right themselves. They become dependent, content, and for lack of a better word lazy; all the while the government becoming ever more insurmountable. I bring up the French peoples interest in our government because even through they have what you claim we lack, they acknowledge our superior constitution and potential. You write as if the citizens are the property of the government (��government is to take care of ITS citizens�). I am diametrically opposed to this, and to this arises our disagreement. The AMERICAN government is of the people, and for the people; we take care of each other. That is why it is unique, and that is why even the French care what happens to our country. The moment the government has ITS own citizens is when we the people are lost. Right now we the people have our government, it works for us, and should do exactly as we wish�we are not its property. What is changing is exactly that however. The government grows bigger, funding for never-ending programs increases and so does tax, we are slowly starting to work for the government because programs like universal health care systems, longer paid vacations, and free education are dangled in front of us. We want to be taken care of, not take care of ourselves. Much like the Roman Empire and its games we are, as you said, made distracted; and the outcome is losing what freedom we now posses. You wrote: �Like the stupid swine flu fear thats going on. before it was terrorism, then before that global warming, keep the people stupid, stress and afraid = easier to control = goverment can do whatever.� And I would add ��=government can become insurmountable� I guess I am confused I don�t understand how we can agree on all the fallacies of our government, all of its problems, and see the end result of the problems. Yet, disagree on the solution or the cause. I see this boat sinking because of to much ballast, not to little, and I see you see that too. But I want to throw rocks overboard, and you want to keep adding them. What am I missing? I too see education, and living healthy lives as fundamental rights of all human beings. But I don�t want to work for the government, and I want to have a say and a choice. I don�t have the answers to how to make the absolute best health care absolutely affordable to all but I know it can not be accomplished by whining to the government about it. Let�s do something about it instead. Education is so very important, and the government would love to have the people think that the only true option is through its funding and programs�but if you think that, you are insulting the very people who founded, expanded, and created what we call the United States of America. For these people taught them selves, stayed politically active even from the wilderness, and took it upon themselves to educate their children. We have that strength, but every government will say we don�t.
	Report this post
singingteacher Brighton, TN Joined: Apr 14, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-13 23:51:17
	I agree with Happy. If we allow the government to control most things or have a stake in them, however small, the working class - i.e. you and me - do nothing but line their pockets while we barely survive. It is so easy to slip into the mentality that "it's not my problem" or "it isn't really affecting my family and me, so why bother?" Well, first, let's look at some interesting statistics. Educationally, in the past 20 years, America went from being "top dog" to "omega wolf". Go to ed.gov or nces.ed.gov to look at some of the statistics. We should be scared as a nation when our children don't know who the 16th President was or that there are fifty states. How many young to middle age adults can name all the states and capitals? Who can tell me about the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble, the Gettysburg Address, the Mayflower Compact, on and on and on... This is the wake up call; if we don't know our own hsitory, how can we possibly know what would be best for our future. Now, let's think about literature. Anyone read Farenheit 451, 1984, Animal farm, The Scorpion, The Giver, Gathering Blue or even War of the Worlds? If anything, these authors of these books were warning the future about governmental control and what it would do to the human spirit. Let's get educated and know our potential as people who came from the founding fathers that wrote: In Congress, July 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount an payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences: For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty ;amp& Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. --And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." For those of you who do not recognize this document, it is the Declaration of Independence in its entirity. We were required to memorize it. Also, just wanted to include the Preamble: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Think about these things that our ancestors wrote and what they really mean to us today. Are they outdated? Do they have a place in society now? Should we exercise our personal liberties and rights or not "make waves"? You be the judge....
	Report this post
TalentWasted Tacoma, WA Joined: May 4, 09 Status Level: 1	2009-05-14 02:16:30
	I see, That is what I was trying to get accross, we as a people need to gain control again of our system, we need to step up, that is what I was trying to get accross, Im just tired of how the fat cats think they can walk all over us. We need to wake up and take control again as a people. we do have potential, we jsut need to seize it for ourselfs.
	Report this post
happygolucky44 Saint Petersburg, FL Joined: Mar 27, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-14 08:05:37
	hell yeah! lets rock and roll!
	Report this post
singingteacher Brighton, TN Joined: Apr 14, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-14 15:38:22
	That is what we have lost as a society Talent. I believe we could seize it back but it takes more than just talk. It takes action.
	Report this post
arwen Sugar Land, TX Joined: Feb 24, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-17 18:03:49
	yep yep. :)
	Report this post
singingteacher Brighton, TN Joined: Apr 14, 09 Status Level: 2	2009-05-18 18:09:04
	Hey Arwen, thanks for the info on Sculpting. It really helped out on Merit Badge Day. And btw, let's get some more people involved with talking on here. It's more interesting that way. What would you like to talk about?
	Report this post

Pages: 1 2 3 4

Join for free and begin posting.